Anything wrong with playing your secondary as your primary? - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

Mordakai · Sep 13, 2006, 01:28 PM // 13:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hockster

Apply Poison works with any weapon. Cyclone Axe anyone. :P

Are you talking about a Ranger/Warrior using apply poison and Cyclone axe?

Or are you talking about a W/R using Cyclone axe and apply poison?

ender6 · Sep 13, 2006, 01:29 PM // 13:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hockster

High end GvG is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay different than PvE. You want your ele's to be dealing damage, or providing wards. If your monks can't handle the healing, find different monks.

Um, High end GvG doesn't rely on ele's for dmg. E/Mo are there as a utility player that use spells like Heal Party/Blinding flash/wards etc. High end teams usually run balanced builds.

Perhaps if you are trying to surprise the opposing team with a gimick fast casting ele spike build...But that really is a stretch to compare to high end GvG.

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Back to the OP's topic, as people have posted there are many builds that utilize one's secondary as the primary. The rule of thumb is quite simple, experiment/evolve/find something that is effective and effiecent. Those who don't think outside of the box are limiting the creative experience of GW. Then there are those who don't check and balance themselves with rules of effectiveness and usually wind up ruining the game for those they play with.

Big_Iron · Sep 13, 2006, 02:21 PM // 14:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hockster

High end GvG is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay different than PvE. You want your ele's to be dealing damage, or providing wards. If your monks can't handle the healing, find different monks.

Uh, the World Championships weren't PvE.

Yanman.be · Sep 13, 2006, 02:25 PM // 14:25

You must be sure that your build is as optimal as possible though.

Malice Black · Sep 13, 2006, 02:33 PM // 14:33

a mesmer with and ele energy pool could be interesting...as far as im concerned as long as the build works there isnt really a problem..just remember to tell any group you join

HawkofStorms · Sep 13, 2006, 02:49 PM // 14:49

Hey, I love W/Rs who try to use a bow. Mainly because I play a mesmer in ABs. One cast of spirit of failure and ineptitude, and suddenly that warrior has no energy to do anything.

Hephaestus Ram · Sep 13, 2006, 04:26 PM // 16:26

If I saw a warrior whip out a bow for anything other than pulling or just
because he wanted to show it off, I'd kick him so fast he'd get dizzy.

You have no real effectiveness as a ranger, if I want a ranger I'll get one.

Warriors are most useful for their armor, and yours is useless if you're
not in front. PvE is roleplaying, so play your role or make a ranger if
you want to play one.

I "might" try an out of character role once in a while with my guild
mates if they're willing to humor me. But I wouldn't inflict myself on
strangers without their approval.

I had a group with a r/mo the other day and she insisted on using
Gorrel's staff because it gave her 60 more hp.... yep we headed back
to town and regrouped without her.

**cosyfiep** · Sep 13, 2006, 06:07 PM // 18:07

I play mes/ranger, and use my bow and bow attacks more than anything.....it also helps when I try to pug and NO ONE wants a MESMER in their pug, but a barrage interupter is ok.....and if I need more energy I switch to my staff (helps with traps too), only thing is I dont get the 15 in wilderness or expertise, so what?
My guildee also plays a e/n and does mm on occasion....while my e/mo has had to play monk on more than one pug mission ----when the monk drops and I am the ONLY one with any healing and a resurrect!---have never tried it as the primary monk though (hm, with 93 energy it might be interesting.....nah).

lennymon · Sep 13, 2006, 06:16 PM // 18:16

egad I'll take a mesmer over a third wammo (heck even a second)! Heh, I laugh every time I see this one tho:
Wammo LFG, No healer?... Im a heal monk

pug or henchway? hmm you make the call... yup henchway it is. And it'll likely be finished before that wammo finds a party.
No... I don't hate wammos. I use one often, I hate *those* wammos

Crimso · Sep 13, 2006, 08:20 PM // 20:20

I have a bow for my warrior its not really a weapon to use, its to get the attention of whomever i'm attacking with a 5/-1 vamp mod it can be useful for doing slight damage to get the enemy to attack you, other then that its useless if your trying to be a bow ranger with a warrior primary your making the one of the worst class choices in the game.

Mystic- · Sep 13, 2006, 09:57 PM // 21:57

The only reason why anyone should bother using their second profession as their first profession is if their Primary Attribute contributes in a positive way to that profession. I.e. using a Ranger's Expertise, you can turn a Ranger into almost anything as it effects the cost of "skills" and allows them to be spammed much more which is why things like a Thumper and a Touch Ranger are so overly abused. Simply because they ARE overpowered. Using a Warrior as a first profession and trying to make it work with second profession skills isn't really the smartest idea. Small energy pool, 2 pips of regen... it just isn't enough to use any thing but warrior skills which are mainly adrenaline bassed therefor you don't need to worry about energy. A Necro's Soul Reaping allows it to have a constant energy supply when there are many spirits etc. dieing constantly which allows then to take on almost anything such as Monk and Ele which require alot of energy for good spells and thoses spells can be spammed due to the energy. A Monks Primary Profession, Divine Favour, effects absolutly nothing but Monk spells therefor having something else wouldnt be smart. An Ele's primary attribute, energy storage, gives a HUGE amount of energy and the elite Ele skill "Ether Prodigy" gives a constant high amount of energy regen which allows them to spam skills such as Heal Party (Monk) which is very famous in GvG as it relives alot of pressure from the monks. It can also spam Extinguish which is also very famous in GvG due to the recent surge of degen builds. The Mesmers primary attribute, Fast Casting, allows it to cast slow spells fast ^^. This makes the Me/E very popular as many Ele skills have high casting speeds and allows them to be cast quickly. Also the "Rezmer" a Me/Mo with a hard rez which is cast very quickly. The Assassin's and Ritualists' primary attributes are also not useful to other professions.

Horseman Of War · Sep 14, 2006, 12:03 AM // 00:03

Ive heard people saying that the armor penatration works with a bow... but like the rest of these guys are saying, its not going to give you the whole picture on how the class really works... warriors in specific because they have much lower energy pool/energy regen than any other class.

Here's my OPINION of classes vs secondaries...

warrior- str usable by secondary assassin for dagger penatration, too low of energy to use caster class stuff. w/r should go poisoner or beastmaster

elemental- large energy pool works well for any caster class, glyphs are nice too

mesmer- combine with monk, rit, ele, necro and use fast casting+secondary (i.e. machine gun elemental)

ritualist- necro and ranger are the only ones able to take advantage of primary ability (minions and spirits) ritualist is a better secondary than primary in most cases

monk- can lose out on divine favor bonuses by using non-monk skills

assassin- its hard enough to get a group in pve without advertising that you are using your secondary profession exclusively lol

necro- better energy gain than a lot of classes. I did a long run of N/E using all soul reaping and fire skills with very fun results... you get energy back anytime you kill someone >

ranger- most versatile primary in the game IMO- I dont have one, but the expertise will reduce the energy cost of ANY skill or attack from the other classes, just not spells i think.

thats my take on it at least.

Horseman Of War · Sep 14, 2006, 12:05 AM // 00:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hephaestus Ram

I had a group with a r/mo the other day and she insisted on using
Gorrel's staff because it gave her 60 more hp.... yep we headed back
to town and regrouped without her.

isnt that a mesmer weapon?? lolz

The Real Roy Keane · Sep 14, 2006, 12:08 AM // 00:08

Thumpers,fast cast M/E's and perhaps N/Mo's in a spirit heavy build are the only only ones that spring immediately to mind.

Valeria · Sep 14, 2006, 12:30 AM // 00:30

I once tried a Ranger with minions + pet (in the first weeks of the game)
i didn't work at all and i never realized how moch fun it can be to play a minion master until i made a necro. Now my ranger is a happy toucher from time to time.

Same goes for a warrior ranger with a bow. If you don't have the energy to use your bow skills you'll never have as much fun as a real ranger (with expertise)
Of cause you can try something funny like a hammer monk and stuff but i would only do that while playing with henchmen or guildmates. Others will probably be pissed off.

The Herbalizer · Sep 14, 2006, 12:45 AM // 00:45

a few i think can think of which use mostly 2nd prof skills: -

pvp fc ele

pvp nec/monk in iway teams

Eviance · Sep 14, 2006, 12:54 AM // 00:54

LOL ranger ele with fire storm! I did this back till I left the jungle

Of course this was also before the AOE nerf, so firestorm from me, my brother (n/ele), and my husband (mo/ele) - that was all she wrote for those mobs

There are certain builds that require you utilizing your secondary proffession but in general its not recommended.

xerverkillah · Sep 14, 2006, 01:38 AM // 01:38

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Originally Posted by Eviance

LOL ranger ele with fire storm! I did this back till I left the jungle

Of course this was also before the AOE nerf, so firestorm from me, my brother (n/ele), and my husband (mo/ele) - that was all she wrote for those mobs

There are certain builds that require you utilizing your secondary proffession but in general its not recommended.

lol i did that when i first played too! then it hit me how great and versatile pure rangers where.

I say its your game, play your character however you want. just make sure the build is effective

Malice Black · Sep 14, 2006, 01:45 AM // 01:45

been there aswell...necro using death/fire...those were the days lol

When i got my spider i took my nec to HA and used some really awful build with some other forum users and we won twice against guild groups (the build was..bring whatever u fancied) think i bought some pets skills and rez with no points in anything..was fun watching the little bastard bite ppl tho

fenix · Sep 14, 2006, 01:52 AM // 01:52

When my brother made his necro, he made the secondary Elementalist, and for half the game was using Nuking skills, as they did more damage. This was back when the monsters didn't move out of Firestorm + Lava Font + Meteor Shower

It seemed to work well as he had constant energy from Soul Reaping, and the fact that PvE monsters are easy to kill

Sep 13, 2006, 02:25 PM // 14:25	#24
Yanman.be Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Belgium Guild: [ROSE] Profession: A/	You must be sure that your build is as optimal as possible though.

Sep 13, 2006, 02:33 PM // 14:33	#25
Malice Black Site Legend Join Date: Oct 2005	a mesmer with and ele energy pool could be interesting...as far as im concerned as long as the build works there isnt really a problem..just remember to tell any group you join

Sep 13, 2006, 02:49 PM // 14:49	#26
HawkofStorms Hall Hero Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/	Hey, I love W/Rs who try to use a bow. Mainly because I play a mesmer in ABs. One cast of spirit of failure and ineptitude, and suddenly that warrior has no energy to do anything.

Sep 13, 2006, 04:26 PM // 16:26	#27
Hephaestus Ram Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: None Profession: W/E	If I saw a warrior whip out a bow for anything other than pulling or just because he wanted to show it off, I'd kick him so fast he'd get dizzy. You have no real effectiveness as a ranger, if I want a ranger I'll get one. Warriors are most useful for their armor, and yours is useless if you're not in front. PvE is roleplaying, so play your role or make a ranger if you want to play one. I "might" try an out of character role once in a while with my guild mates if they're willing to humor me. But I wouldn't inflict myself on strangers without their approval. I had a group with a r/mo the other day and she insisted on using Gorrel's staff because it gave her 60 more hp.... yep we headed back to town and regrouped without her.

Sep 13, 2006, 06:07 PM // 18:07	#28
cosyfiep are we there yet? Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: in a land far far away Guild: guild? I am supposed to have a guild? Profession: Rt/	I play mes/ranger, and use my bow and bow attacks more than anything.....it also helps when I try to pug and NO ONE wants a MESMER in their pug, but a barrage interupter is ok.....and if I need more energy I switch to my staff (helps with traps too), only thing is I dont get the 15 in wilderness or expertise, so what? My guildee also plays a e/n and does mm on occasion....while my e/mo has had to play monk on more than one pug mission ----when the monk drops and I am the ONLY one with any healing and a resurrect!---have never tried it as the primary monk though (hm, with 93 energy it might be interesting.....nah).

Sep 13, 2006, 06:16 PM // 18:16	#29
lennymon Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Seattle Guild: Odin's Hammer [OH] - Servant's of Fortuna [SoF] Profession: R/	egad I'll take a mesmer over a third wammo (heck even a second)! Heh, I laugh every time I see this one tho: Wammo LFG, No healer?... Im a heal monk pug or henchway? hmm you make the call... yup henchway it is. And it'll likely be finished before that wammo finds a party. No... I don't hate wammos. I use one often, I hate those wammos

Sep 13, 2006, 08:20 PM // 20:20	#30
Crimso Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2006 Guild: PCformatforums[PCFF] Profession: Me/Mo	I have a bow for my warrior its not really a weapon to use, its to get the attention of whomever i'm attacking with a 5/-1 vamp mod it can be useful for doing slight damage to get the enemy to attack you, other then that its useless if your trying to be a bow ranger with a warrior primary your making the one of the worst class choices in the game.

Sep 13, 2006, 09:57 PM // 21:57	#31
Mystic- Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2006	The only reason why anyone should bother using their second profession as their first profession is if their Primary Attribute contributes in a positive way to that profession. I.e. using a Ranger's Expertise, you can turn a Ranger into almost anything as it effects the cost of "skills" and allows them to be spammed much more which is why things like a Thumper and a Touch Ranger are so overly abused. Simply because they ARE overpowered. Using a Warrior as a first profession and trying to make it work with second profession skills isn't really the smartest idea. Small energy pool, 2 pips of regen... it just isn't enough to use any thing but warrior skills which are mainly adrenaline bassed therefor you don't need to worry about energy. A Necro's Soul Reaping allows it to have a constant energy supply when there are many spirits etc. dieing constantly which allows then to take on almost anything such as Monk and Ele which require alot of energy for good spells and thoses spells can be spammed due to the energy. A Monks Primary Profession, Divine Favour, effects absolutly nothing but Monk spells therefor having something else wouldnt be smart. An Ele's primary attribute, energy storage, gives a HUGE amount of energy and the elite Ele skill "Ether Prodigy" gives a constant high amount of energy regen which allows them to spam skills such as Heal Party (Monk) which is very famous in GvG as it relives alot of pressure from the monks. It can also spam Extinguish which is also very famous in GvG due to the recent surge of degen builds. The Mesmers primary attribute, Fast Casting, allows it to cast slow spells fast ^^. This makes the Me/E very popular as many Ele skills have high casting speeds and allows them to be cast quickly. Also the "Rezmer" a Me/Mo with a hard rez which is cast very quickly. The Assassin's and Ritualists' primary attributes are also not useful to other professions.

Sep 14, 2006, 12:03 AM // 00:03	#32
Horseman Of War Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2006 Guild: The Cult of Doom Profession: P/	Ive heard people saying that the armor penatration works with a bow... but like the rest of these guys are saying, its not going to give you the whole picture on how the class really works... warriors in specific because they have much lower energy pool/energy regen than any other class. Here's my OPINION of classes vs secondaries... warrior- str usable by secondary assassin for dagger penatration, too low of energy to use caster class stuff. w/r should go poisoner or beastmaster elemental- large energy pool works well for any caster class, glyphs are nice too mesmer- combine with monk, rit, ele, necro and use fast casting+secondary (i.e. machine gun elemental) ritualist- necro and ranger are the only ones able to take advantage of primary ability (minions and spirits) ritualist is a better secondary than primary in most cases monk- can lose out on divine favor bonuses by using non-monk skills assassin- its hard enough to get a group in pve without advertising that you are using your secondary profession exclusively lol necro- better energy gain than a lot of classes. I did a long run of N/E using all soul reaping and fire skills with very fun results... you get energy back anytime you kill someone > ranger- most versatile primary in the game IMO- I dont have one, but the expertise will reduce the energy cost of ANY skill or attack from the other classes, just not spells i think. thats my take on it at least.

Sep 14, 2006, 12:08 AM // 00:08	#34
The Real Roy Keane Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dublin, Ireland	Thumpers,fast cast M/E's and perhaps N/Mo's in a spirit heavy build are the only only ones that spring immediately to mind.

Sep 14, 2006, 12:30 AM // 00:30	#35
Valeria Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Germany Guild: PaRe Profession: W/	I once tried a Ranger with minions + pet (in the first weeks of the game) i didn't work at all and i never realized how moch fun it can be to play a minion master until i made a necro. Now my ranger is a happy toucher from time to time. Same goes for a warrior ranger with a bow. If you don't have the energy to use your bow skills you'll never have as much fun as a real ranger (with expertise) Of cause you can try something funny like a hammer monk and stuff but i would only do that while playing with henchmen or guildmates. Others will probably be pissed off.

Sep 14, 2006, 12:45 AM // 00:45	#36
The Herbalizer <3 Ecto Join Date: Jul 2005	a few i think can think of which use mostly 2nd prof skills: - pvp fc ele pvp nec/monk in iway teams

Sep 14, 2006, 12:54 AM // 00:54	#37
Eviance Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Eh I forget... o_O Guild: Biscuit of Dewm [MEEP] Profession: R/	LOL ranger ele with fire storm! I did this back till I left the jungle Of course this was also before the AOE nerf, so firestorm from me, my brother (n/ele), and my husband (mo/ele) - that was all she wrote for those mobs There are certain builds that require you utilizing your secondary proffession but in general its not recommended.

Sep 14, 2006, 01:45 AM // 01:45	#39
Malice Black Site Legend Join Date: Oct 2005	been there aswell...necro using death/fire...those were the days lol When i got my spider i took my nec to HA and used some really awful build with some other forum users and we won twice against guild groups (the build was..bring whatever u fancied) think i bought some pets skills and rez with no points in anything..was fun watching the little bastard bite ppl tho

Sep 14, 2006, 01:52 AM // 01:52	#40
fenix Major-General Awesome Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger Guild: Ex Talionis [Law], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] ????????????????&# Profession: W/	When my brother made his necro, he made the secondary Elementalist, and for half the game was using Nuking skills, as they did more damage. This was back when the monsters didn't move out of Firestorm + Lava Font + Meteor Shower It seemed to work well as he had constant energy from Soul Reaping, and the fact that PvE monsters are easy to kill